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If John Derbyshire can write about the Michael Jackson acquittal, then I guess I can too. What's more, Derb is quite right: "I'm glad Jackson got off." I didn't follow this trial as closely as one might have, but I made some efforts to follow the prosecution's case and . . . well, they didn't have one. Instead, they had a credibility-impaired accuser's word combined with a ton of definitive proof that Jackson's a weirdo and a conviction-happy news media. That's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt or even anything resembling such proof. Sleeping in a bed with boys is weird. It makes you think the guy's a child molestor. But it's certainly not proof that any particular child was abused.

There's even an important policy angle here, relating to catastrophic misuse of public funds by a district attorney. As everyone knows, we don't actually prosecute every single offender who comes down the pike in this country. The reason is that courts, DA's offices, and corrections departments all have limited resources at their disposal. You need to focus them where the expected costs exceed the expected benefits. But since prosecutors often use their jobs as leverage for further careers, they face a certain incentive to get involved in high-profile media frenzies


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I thought the whole point of the verdict was that Jackson didn't get off.

(somebody had to say it) 

BTW, I was also kind of relieved about the verdict, though I don't have an opinion either way on Jackson's guilt. The testimony was too tainted to believe anything.

I was even more relieved by Jackson's lawyer's statement that he would not be doing any more bed sharing in the future. Jackson may not have broken the law, and certainly was the target of a witch hunt... but, c'mon... he ought have a little propriety.

There's two important reasons the DA brought this prosecution. First, it was not the first time an accuser had come forward, and the DA was unable to prosecute before because Jackson essentially bought off his accuser.  I think the DA would have been subjected to immense, and proper, criticism if he didn't do anything this time-- it would have sent the message that Michael Jackson is so rich and powerful that the laws do not apply to him.

Second, and very importantly, my understanding is that Child Protective Services has backed off taking any action to go after Jackson to deprive him of custody of his children or to obtain a restraining order keeping him away from other children, because they are underfunded and feel they don't have the resources to take on Jackson.  I am sure this was part of Sneddon's calculation-- that Jackson should not, under any circumstances, have custody of his children, and the agencies that should be policing that are afraid to do it, so this prosecution represented a vehicle that could accomplish the goal of getting Jackson away from children.

Remember, even if Jackson is not a pedophile, his actions are in no way good for the children-- his own or any of the children who visit Neverland. He is a narcissist who has no idea how his actions harm the kids that he says he "loves".  In addition to sleeping in beds with children, he dangled his own kid dangerously over a balcony and won't let his biological children see their mother or even let them know who their mother is.  In this situation, if Child Protective Services isn't going to act, I think the DA had to try.

I heard there was a hostile witness (friend of Jackson) that testified to Jackson giving alchohol to the kids. If so, why not guilty on at least that charge?

"What's more, Derb is quite right:"

Ewww.  Just reading that makes me want to take a shower.

I'll have to disagree somewhat.  The decision to prosecute does not rest upon a calculation of resources.  Rather, it is more often dependent on justice.   There are many, many crimes occurring, big and small, in daily society, but sometimes they are not worth pursuing because not much harm was done to society.  And of course, sometimes the evidence is simply not there so justice requires that the prosecutor withhold action.

Here, the harm to society was potentially great.  Child molestation is never, ever tolerated, and is worth pursuing even on the basis of only a couple of witnesses.  Sneddon really had no choice to prosecute this one, and justice won't allow a crime to go unpursued just because it's not cost-effective relative to the other crimes.

In contrast, the "resources" argument does make more sense in a recent context--Ken Starr and the 40 Million dollar Starr chamber which turned up a stain on an intern's dress.

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Ha!  Got you now, Yglesias!  Jackson "not the greatest social menace on the planet"?  This one will haunt you to the grave!

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"courts, DA's offices, and corrections departments all have limited resources at their disposal. You need to focus them where the expected costs exceed the expected benefits."

 

I disagree.  I think you should focus resources where the expected benefits exceed the expected costs.  That way you maximize social welfare.  Of course any intelligent calculation will include expected justice on the benefit side of the equation. 

There is no way Matthew's double entendre wasn't deliberate.  No way.

Switching the words "costs" and "benefits" is typical of the fun that MY has always had with homophones.

You mean Derbyshire's, right?

MY, you make an important point about the use of prosecutorial resources.  I think the purpose of the criminal law system is terribly misunderstood in this country.  People watch Law & Order and other similar shows in this country where brave DA's see their job as "getting justice" for the victims.  The Victims' Rights movement in this country plays on the same idea.  But that's not what criminal justice is about -- it's about enforcing the rules that govern society and vindicating society's interest when they're violated.  That's why, for instance, it's always "The People" or "The State" vs. the defendant.  Vindicating individual interests -- getting justice for the victim -- is for the civil system. 

The importance of this distinction is this:  if the criminal justice system were about individual justice for victims, then there'd really be no justification in not pursuing every case in which there was sufficient evidence to go to a jury.  Why should some victims get "justice" and not others?  And if you don't have the resources to do that, get more resources.  Really.  

But if you take the view that the criminal justice system exists to keep our social order functioning, well obviously you don't need perfect enforcement for that.  You can probably send the message to potential lawbreakers with an "80/20 rule" approach.  And it's proper to weigh expenditures against other spending that can also promote social welfare, and decide that prosecution of lesser offenders just doesn't buy you as much as, say, a Head Start program (or what have you) -- even if that leaves individual victims "unvindicated" by the criminal justice system.

Yes.

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"You need to focus them where the expected costs exceed the expected benefits"  

Putting aside the small point that Matt means the exact  opposite of what he wrote, and the highly idiosyncratic aspects of the Michael Jackson trial, there is  a danger to this kind of reasoning --it is always easier to prosecute a poor individual than a rich one.
This is often true even in cases where the poor person is innocent and the rich person is guilty.   If prosecutors made decisions on who to prosecute purely on the basis of making the most efficient use of their resources, they might decide it was never worth the trouble to prosecute a rich person.   


 

<p>&quot;When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.&quot;</p><p>What's the deak with you pedants, anyway?&nbsp;</p>

Oh, and when I use an HTML tag, I want the whole world to know about it.<br />

In calculating the "expected benefits", you need to think about the deterrent effect the prosecution will have in the future.  Indeed, this is often why high-profile prosecutions are brought.  For example, why was Martha Stewart prosecuted - because she made a couple of thousand dollars?  No - rather, it seems likely that she was prosecuted because it will have a deterrent effect on people thinking about insider trading (or even quasi-insider trading, like Stewart).

We already know that the prosectuion has had a deterrent effect on Jackson himself - he said he won't sleep in the same bed as kids any more.  Will there be a deterrent effect on future Michael Jacksons?  Who knows.

Michael Jackson, the Runaway Bride, Robert Blake and OJ Simpson...I am sooooooo tired of all of it.  Instead of the MSM focusing on the major issues facing the nation and world they focus on the most lurid, selacious and titallating stories they can find to boost their ratings and circulations.  And we as a nation can't get enough of it...who am I to say, maybe I'm the one who is all f'ed up.

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As you said - the DA had no case outside the credibility impaired alleged victim and mom.  End of story.  So why did we get all the press coverage?  Of course, Chris Matthews thinks the jury was stupid and that 12 smart press people like himself would have convicted Mr. Jackson for being weird.  But being weird is not a crime and Mr. Matthews (IMHO) is an arrogant moron. 

Matt,
I just read about three Derb columns where he is shockingly lucid.

Michael who?

Clearly the worst part about the prosecutorial system is that the negative feedback loop is weak and insufficient.

Prosecutors might choose cases based on society's needs, OR they might choose cases based on their own career needs.  Prosecutors may be good, or they may be incompetent.

There is little in the system that provides the right amount of negative feedback in the right amount of time to incompetent prosecutors, or prosecutors that choose cases based on their needs and not those of society.

The result being that society's control function over prosecutor's behavior is poor and society is illserved. 

As a result, we have over zealous prosecutors in Jackson and Schiavo and you can wonder what will happen if you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time wearing the wrong genitals, skin tone, or memento of your favorite superior being or secular interest.

Proposed ECO: some amount of a prosecutor's career and promotion should be subjected to an elected citizen review board.

     I think the verdict may well have been correct, but if the prosecutors genuinely believed that Jackson was guilty and could be proved guilty, as they surely did, then they should have prosecuted.  We're not talking about a shoplifter here.  Certain crimes, such as murder, rape, and pedophilia, are so heinous that prosecuting them must nearly always be done - not only for justice, but to protect possible future victims.

What's the deak with your inability to use the preview function?

Given that the case was weak on credibility and evidence for conviction on the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, it seemed to me that the main argument for prosecution was it served as another weapon of mass distraction for the national media and GOP echo chamber to continue avoiding dealing with the real issues of our time.

I have a friend who is an attorney.  He specializes in criminal law.  His first inclination upon entering practice after the bar, was to work for the public defenders office.  He ended up working for the DA because he was persuaded that having input into the cases the DA brought to trial, gave him a greater ability to address the injustices of the judicial system than he would have as a public defender.

Sometimes stoping the train before it starts is the most effective way of avoiding a train wreck. 

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