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The Secret Plot To Steal Your Children

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Sara Mead in a guest post at Eduwonk tells the tale of the secret liberal plot to take young children out of the home and force them into a mandatory universal pre-school system. Happily, no such plot actually exists. Less happily, it very much does exist in the fevered mind of the contemporary right, where the need to combat this non-existent plan becomes the reason for opposing efforts to make high-quality voluntary pre-school more widely available.


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Just out of curiosity -- I have no settled view on the matter -- why would it be so unhappy for "mandatory universal pre-school," a.k.a "school," to start at, say, age 4 rather than age 5 or 6?  Is there some reason to think that kindergarten or first grade is just the right time to start school?  Is your point just the political one that advocating such early schooling would play into the hands of the contemporary right's opposition to making voluntary pre-school more widely available?  Or is there a substantive reason to prefer voluntary to mandatory school up to a certain age and thereafter have mandatory school?

"Sara Mead in a guest post at Eduwonk tells the tale of the secret liberal plot to take young children out of the home and force them into a mandatory universal pre-school system."


It's actually worse than that.  The liberals want the young children so they can use their blood in their secret liberal rituals.

"Happily, no such plot actually exists. Less happily, it very much does exist in the fevered mind of the contemporary right..."

And you said the G.O.P. was short on ideas!

At least the Heritage Foundation has the wherewithal to perform its cult indoctrination rituals in full view -- more or less -- of the public.  (Link to NYT article; registration required.)
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Isn't Rob Reiner proposal in California to do exactly that? Preschools would have to have credentialed teachers, teach state standards, etc. The state would spend just as much per-student on preschoolers as everybody else. It's not a very good deal for the 60% or 70% of California families who already send their kids to perfectly decent private preschools.

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No wonder the vast right wing conspirators are afraid of education.  If their children are educated, the little munchkins might see through the lies, errors and rhetorical vapors of George the Younger and Dick the Shameless.  Not to mention the blatant idiocy of their sycophants, Rush the Junke, Sean the Fat and Bill the Loofah King. 

Mandatory pre-school strikes me as a bad idea. It's true that 4 years doesn't seem any more arbitrary than 6 years, but you have to draw the line somewhere. My guess is that the age for schooling is determined by the point at which we expect to teach academic skills, most obviously literacy and arithmetic. Some kids are reading at 4, but many are not, and I think most people consider that acceptable.

Life skills and art activity can probably be handled at home. I think preschool is very beneficial, particular just by having kids socializing out of the family from early on. However, I think that the parental right to autonomy far outweighs any benefits at the preschool level.

How mandatory is K-12 schooling anyway? Home schooling is legal, though the degree of regulation varies by state. I would not favor any system that made it impossible for parents to opt out of the standard education system, provided their kids met reasonable academic goals.

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In California, Rob Reiner is qualifying or has qualified a ballot measure to provide public preschool for all 4-year-olds. The preschool would be voluntary, but publicly funded.

If this measure passed, the preschools in poor areas would be crummy, just like the other public schools there, and the preschools in rich areas would be great, just like the other public schools there. Right-wingers oppose this measure, and so do I. We ought to provide excellent publicly-funded preschools for low-income kids, but there's no reason to provide free daycare for middle-class kids.

 I don't agree with a number of specific points you make here, but the gist made me see something more clearly.  My point was not that 4 is no less arbitrary than 6, but rather than 4 may very well be better than 6.  I'm not sure I recognize "the parental right to autonomy" as regards their children, as distinct from themselves.  In fact, the (future) autonomy of children is one of the main justifications of early childhood development (along with other justifications, like the role of ECD in economic development and addressing the challenges of contemporary parenting).  And you're right that K-12 is not mandatory, strictly speaking, though it or some equivalent is, which is close enough.
This last point made me see what may be implicit in Matt's post: make high-quality voluntary preschool more widely available and, given the costs of child care and the wide spread of working parents, most parents these days would be crazy not to get their children involved.  Then you would end up with a lot of the benefits of mandatory universal preschool without the political controversy.  A lot depends on what "available" means here, in terms of cost, as well as how widely you make it available.  It might be too that a lot of the children who would benefit most from some robust ECD program have parents least likely to be responsive to voluntary incentives, although there might be ways of addressing that.  The Minneapolis Fed has been doing a bunch of work in this area. See http://minneapolisfed.org/research/studies/earlychild/ 

I'm not sure I recognize "the parental right to autonomy" as regards their children, as distinct from themselves.

This comes down to an ideological question, and we probably disagree. I don't think that anyone has the right to be an abusive parent, but I think they do have the right to be a "bad" parent in the sense that they aren't doing all the things for their kids that I think they should. The "future" autonomy of the kids is kind of a non-issue to me. Right now, the parent is the legal guardian, and has wide latitude with respect to child rearing. I think that this is the right way to go, not because I think you doing a good job raising your kids, but because I think I am and I feel I have the right to do so without interference.

Laws are a pretty drastic measure that should only be invoked when the public good of protecting children outweighs the public harm to traditional and biological role of parents. You're entitled to place less value on the latter than I do, but I'm pretty sure most parents place a lot of value on it. Of course, most parents would also probably like to have the opportunity for free or subsidized preschool.

Then you would end up with a lot of the benefits of mandatory universal preschool without the political controversy.

Assuming the end goal is to get as many kids in preschool as possible, there are a lot of ways to go short of mandating it. One way that came to mind was to set particular entrance requirements on first grade and force kids that did not meet them into a catchup grade before they could begin normal schooling. I think that this is less onerous than requiring preschool. I'm not sure that approach would be effective, but I don't have the same objections.

Thanks for the new reply.  I agree there are a lot of ways to go short of mandating preschool, though the one you suggest strikes me as worse than others I can imagine, which would try to prevent rather than redress a two-tier system among students from the very getgo.
There may be some ideological disagreement between us, though I see mostly pragmatic and empirical issues.  Like you, I'm skeptical of the ability of anyone to render authoritative decisions on parenting, while seeing the need for them.  And I do think that a law requiring public education or some equivalent fully justifiable, which opens up the mostly empirical question of when such education is best begun.  I assume, though maybe I shouldn't, that you don't see public schooling per se as an unjustifiable infringement on the traditional and biological role of parents.

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"Voluntary Preschool" is grammatically equivalent to "Temporary Taxes."  It's just a matter of time until they are mandatory and permanent and the conservatives are rightly suspicious of the underlying motives.

The education bureaucracies have believed and acted since the days of Dewey, that they and they alone know what's best for America's children.  This as they demand ever more money in the face of ever greater education failures.  How do they feel about the innercity folks' substantiated support of school-choice outside the education establishments' circles of power?  Now that's "voluntary."

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I assume, though maybe I shouldn't, that you don't see public schooling per se as an unjustifiable infringement on the traditional and biological role of parents.

I think I answered this in the first posting. The law already provides an opt out in the form of home schooling. I can't say I have ever given much thought to it but it seems like a reasonable balance. I probably disagree with many home school parents on their reasons why, but I think it is good public policy not to prohibit it.

My wife spent many years working in preschools in three states, small town and urban, and one thing is consistent:  children are not consistent.  Some are ready for preschool at 3; some not until 6.  Some benefit from preschool; some don't; some are hurt by it. 

In fact, most states don't actually require kindergarten:  the first mandatory elementary grade is 1.  We know some parents who have not sent their child to K, or held him back a year (almost always a boy) with great benefit.

So I would hesitate to put a mandate down in this area.

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Why not provide free pre-school, nevertheless, for those other 30 - 40% who simply can't afford it.  If there is evidence showing that pre-school can be beneficial, and I think that's not a disagreement here, why not at least offer it to the many low income families in this country?

"Happily, no such plot actually exists."

 Anytime Matt says, "oh, no, we don't want <i>that</i>, we just want <i>this</i>," read <a href="http://yglesias.typepad.com/matthew/2005/04/slippery_s lopes.html">this post</a>. 

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I lived in Georgia until 2001 where preschool was available on the public's dime, courtesy the lottery (don't know if this is still the case).  At the time, both public schools and private day care centers like the YWCA operated thre pre-K programs.  It was wildly popular.  In Athens, Georgia, I stood in line for several hours with other parents in hopes of getting our kids in the public school Pre-K program.  I also spent the night outside the local YWCA with other parents in hopes of getting our children a place in that program.  And then I moved to Alabama where there is little to no pre-K and we had to spend our own money (something like $150 a week) to send our daughter to a private pre-K program.  We could have spent less, as little as $85 a week if we had been willing to send her to a place staffed by minimum wage employees and no real curriculumn.  I have spent lots of time investigating pre-K programs in my area and most of them are horrible.  The only exceptions are the high priced montessori-type schools.  People who are opposed to the government voluntarily funding pre-K programs have no concern for the real life struggles of two-income families.   For us, having my wife or me stay home was simply not an option.  Bring on the government funded pre-K I say.  The home-school option would seem to mute most protests even if you assume the most slippery slope process possible. 

Universal Pre-K should be instituted by each state to assure that children are ready for kindergarten. How can that be? We know, from our experience with Head Start that the 'at-risk' population of children (such as low-income or ESL children) are entering kindergarten 1 to 2  or more years delayed in critical skills such as language development and number awareness. This, paired with the 'pushing down' of the curriculuum (children now are expected to be readers at the end of kindergarten as opposed to 10 years ago, when a child leaving kindergarten was to be 'ready' to read in first grade).

When I developed an early childhood program for low-income children (state funded, not Head Start) in a school district back in the early 90's for a school district, we were asked to create a tuition-based community preschool for any child in the community wishing to attend such a program. The concern by middle income parents was that low-income, at-risk children were getting the benefits of a high quality ECE program, and they wanted access to a similiar high quality program for their children.

I believe, EVERY child can benefit from a high quality, early childhood program. To calm the fears of the far-right crowd that still believes that the 1950's were idealic, and do not want to participate, they should be allowed to 'opt out', thereby negating at least in part some of their opposition. The bigger issue is, that when you allow parents to opt out of such a program, you must make sure they clearly understand what the expectations will be for their child, entering kindergarten (full disclosure).

We cannot simply increase the academic standards, test children untli the cows come home, push the curriculum expectations down the grade levels and then pretend you are going to fix the problem. Given that children are natural learners, they want to learn and would benefit from a universal pre-k program, it makes sense for every state to adopt such a program.

The Federal Head Start program has been highly successful (irregardless of what the Bush Administration believes). It needs to stay at the federal level and increase in size, to assure that all low-income, at-risk children have an opportunity to receive the benefits of this comprehensive program).  Meanwhile, concerted efforts, at the states level, need to be made to implement quality pre-k programs for all other children that wish to participate.  I would never expect, nor would it be successful to attempt to create a federal universal pre-k program. The Republicans on a national basis would simply block any and all efforts.

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Actually, teacher-training programs used to say that the only verifiable "reason" for starting first grade at age 6 was that this was the earliest age when most children could be expected to control their bladder for 4 hours at a time.   Learning to schedule one's bodily functions by a timeclock was not the least important part of training future factory workers!  Agree that many, many children (& their parents) would be better off with high-quality preschool programs than with whatever patchwork childcare-cum-babysitting-cum-toddler-warehousing they're now involved with, but "mandatory with opt-out" preschool programs would be only as good, or bad, as the current school systems that've encouraged so many people to homeschool, pay for private school, and/or migrate to suburban enclaves perceived as having "good" public schools.   I don't think further extending a system that all possible points of the political spectrum consider sub-functional is really a winning program for the progressives.  -- Anne Laurie
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Actually, most of the child development experts writing books these days are pretty clear that kids under six need to be very firmly attached to a primary caregiver (much, much preferably a parent) in order to complete the developmental work of early childhood.
At three and four, kids are forming the deep frames of identity and relationship that will form the basis of their moral reasoning for the rest of their lives. They can only learn these lessons by spending lots of one-on-one time with adults. Handing them over to preschool teachers is a second-best option. Hoping they'll learn this stuff from their equally unformed peers is a recipe for disaster.
Which is not to say that three mornings a week at preschool isn't a fine thing for most kids. I'm just saying that kids are hard-wired to stick close to Mom and Dad when they're little; and that an increasing body of research is confirming that it's a bad idea to get in the way of that.
It's also true that most kids don't have the wiring for academic work until they go through a major cognitive shift (I've heard it called "the age of reason") at about six or seven, which is why this has been a universal educational starting point in most times and places.

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