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Site Update. Problems Registering? Suggestions about Format?

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Eventually, we're going to find another section of the site where I can post updates to readers answering questions, providing fixes to problems, responding to suggestions for improving the site and so forth.  For the moment, my apologies to my Coffee House colleagues for the intrusion.  If you're a reader and have questions on any of these points, please follow me through the "Continue Reading Here" link and we'll discuss.

All told, we had a pretty successful launch yesterday from a technical perspective.  We actually had a bigger audience than we expected. That caused a brief outage in the late morning.  And then we had to take the site offline briefly in the early afternoon to upgrade the server to deal with the high traffic.

Now, the one problem we're still dealing with is that a number of you are having various problems registering.  If you're still having a problem, drop us a line at our bug report email address which you can find in the "contact us" section linked up at the left.  We'll try to deal with the specific problem you're having.

Basically, we really appreciate the trouble you're going to to try to visit and make use of the site and we're doing everything we can to help.  So drop us a line if you're having a problem.  And we're doing everything we can simultaneously to iron out whatever underlying glitches there may causing these problems.  Hopefully later today or tomorrow we'll post an FAQ or short post detailing some specific steps you can take if you're having problems.

Next, it's become immediately clear that we need a section of the site set aside for taking your suggestions about how to improve the site.  So we're going to set up a discussion table devoted to this issue.  That way we can here what people think and ways we can improve the site and we can also get a sense of whether there's a consensus in favor of certain changes.  So look forward to that.

Another question: RSS Feeds.  Yes, we're going to have all sorts of RSS feeds, sliced and diced in various ways.  In fact, most of them are already set up.  There just not visible enough yet.  So we're working on that.  And expect to hear more from us shortly.

Another point. A few readers have said the text on the site is too small.  We're looking into making text size an option you can customize for yourself in "My Preferences".  But for the moment, in most case these comments come from users of Microsoft IE who have their text setting set to "smaller".  To change that, go to View > Text Size and change the setting to medium.

Another point.  Some of you have noticed that there are little shards of html coding showing up in your comments or your submissions to the discussion areas.  The root issue here is that we've set up the default input to be a WYSIWYG html editor.  What that means is that it works like Microsoft Word where all the coding is invisible and you just see the results.  So for instance you don't type in <b>bold</b> to make something bold you just highlight and use the button below.

If you go ahead and put in the html tags they just show up in the text.  Also, if you cut and paste text from some programs that will make tags show up too.  If you're more comfortable just using a straight text editor and doing the html manually, you can switch to that.

Just go to "My Preferences" in MyTPMCafe.  Then click interface.  Whe you get to that page, uncheck WYSIWYG and change the pull down menu from html formatted to "Auto Format".  Then you don't have to bother with the editor.

The last point is related to this one.  A number of folks have asked why there aren't nested comments and various other features for the site.

In most cases, the answer is there soon will be.

Let me explain though the thinking that went in to how I designed the site.  My sense was that there were many readers of TPM who had a basic sense of reading a blog but would be bewildered by all the various options involved in many discussion sites and have no idea what to make or want to deal with nested comments or threads and the like.  So at least at the start I tried to keep things as simple as possible.  However, I know that many readers find these features helpful and even essential.  So we'll be making most of these options available in short order.  As I said above, we'll be opening a feedback table shortly.  So it would be a great help to us if you could let us know the particular features that you'd most like added to the site, etc. 


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AUTHOR: stevelu
DATE: 06/01/2005 10:12:15 AM

If people don't like certain aspects of the layout, they can use things like bookmarklets or Firefox GreaseMonkey scripts or Safari user scripts to make some personal changes. See TPMCafe wide columns.

Of course that is not a permanent approach, but it may stop some complaints. 

 

Number 1 wanted item from me right now is a wider area for the main content.  Got miguel's GreaseMonkey script running right now to sorta fix that, but it doesn't fit quite right.  And the comments are still squished.  After that, nested comments.  Makes the conversations far more coherent.  These two pretty much go together, need the wider column for the nested indentations.  This would be my vote for added features.

That said, love the site, very interesting concept here, I'm liking how the place is working right now, the combination of learned insiders & random Joe's like me.  I know you and your crew put alot of work into getting this site up, so I don't want to make it sound like I'm ungrateful & bitching about small things.  Just that, you know, I'm very grateful and bitching about small things.  If that makes any difference.

The lack of nesting is making my head hurt. 

Scoop, at least on K5, supports nested comments.  I don't see any way to enable it here, though.  Given that all the comments are jammed in between the surrounding columns, I suspect that comments nested beyond 2 or 3 levels would be unviewable here.

Not sure about your screen, but I've got lots of empty space on mine.  About half of my screen real-estate is just completely unused.

Would be helpful to have a drop-down menu to filter by section (e.g., "Politics", "Media", etc.).  I know that one may click on the section on an individual posting, but so far I need to hunt through to see what's there.

Unless, of course, you already have something like that and I'm missing it?

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It would also be helpful to have a drop down menu to sort postings by author.  (I also know that if you click on an author's name, you have this function, but again, you have to hunt if they aren't on the main page). 

Each article has a heading and a body.  Ask your article posters to keep the heading content to a minimum ... basically just enough to let me know if I actually want to read the rest.  If it's more than a couple of short paragraphs, the clutter factor starts impinging on usability in a big way.

The way the content is stovepiped in the center of the screen kind of aggravates the situation.  I know that's how TPM is laid out, and there's a lot of value in presenting a familiar layout (and it probably looks okay at lower resolutions), but on my big, uber-geek monitor I've got huge swaths of empty space to each side.  I could plant crops ...

BTW, it's great to see this site up.  I'm a long-time reader of TPM and an even-longer-time denizen of Rusty's little playhouse.  Probably be a few rough edges initially, but we definitely need a place like this.

Right now, one can't see the diaries posted by readers, except by going to a drop down menu that is fairly obscure.

One of the things that makes Kos such a good site are the reader diaries. Put them on the right hand column of the front page as Kos (and Mydd and Redstate) does.

Ben P

I had trouble registering -- it kept saying my password fields didn't match, even when I cut and pasted something into both -- but eventually I chose a different password altogether and it worked.
I second the request for reader diaries made visible a la kos. It's very helpful. Also, the margins are very, very wide.
I love the site, though.

They lead to repetition of the same basic point over and over, as people reply to threads with points already made far below in another thread.  Linear comments mean that points can actually be settled.

I find comments at Kos almost unreadable because of nesting. The conversation drifts into long tangents that can keep expanding and hiding any further discussion of the original topic.  Tangents in a linear thread can be ended by further discussion of the original topic, or if important enough, made into an entry or diary of their own. 

On top of which, tree structures don't work well in web pages.  They're hard to navigate and wind up stretching far too far over to the right.

Stick to linear comments, it'll improve the quality of discussion.

I agree with the "wider middle" faction.  Unless people have found some way to view TPMCafe on a Game Boy, everyone is going to have big swaths of beige on their left and right.  
Greater font consistency -- in particular, going one way on the serif / sans-serif fonts question -- is generally a good idea.  You could probably stick with the current text size if you switched the middle font to Arial.  
It'd be nice to have trackback available.  
When you click to read someone's full post in the Coffee House, is it possible to remove the line separating the header from the rest of the post?  Maybe I'll get used to it in a while, but for now it's pretty annoying.  
Is there a way I can see the entire set of other people's comments when posting my own comments?  

I made a signature but I was unable to use line breaks or paragraphs in it.  I wanted to have a quote with a line of asterisks above and below to clearly separate it from my comment text, but I couldn't make it happen no matter what I did.  The text of the quote immediately followed the asterisks on the same line regardless of

1) hitting return in the editing windwow

2) adding <br> codes

3) increasing the number of asterisks to the point that the quote should have continued to the next line (for some reason even though I saved the change, it didn't change the appearance of the signature)

<i>This</i> is a <b>test</b> of what <a href="http://yahoo.com">happens</a> if you use the autoformat option under Preferences and Interface.  

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